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cw5billwade
12-23-2008, 09:30 PM
Short version Borla Pro XS pair $200 shipped or CAT Back for over $700 why not just weld in the mufflers to current pipes? Do I need 2.25” or 2.5” offset-offset mufflers? What would I lose?

Long version if you care
My mods in signature with full synthetic oil and tyranny fluid I am getting 24MPG HWY on Diablo performance tune 93 octane. Looking for most bolt on power and fuel economy for my 2002 Auto GT Vert DD. I do not go to the track or intend to. I do a lot of interstate driving between 1850 RMP and 2500 RPM so don’t want the drone. For my exhaust I was going to go with Borla. Their Cat Back is pricy and if you look at the install instructions they are actually 2.25 inch from mid pipe to muffler. I called Borla tech support to verify and they confirmed that this was to bolt to the stock mid pipe and also helped to produce their unique tone. If that is the case than what do you think about just having the Borla Pro XS welded into my stock pipes and call it a day. I would save $500. What would I lose other than the pretty Borla tips?

5.0 Magazine tested 16 mufflers in 2002 on a fox body 5.0. All they did was to bolt on 16 different mufflers and dyno them. Borla was within 1 HP and 1 ft-lb tq of the leaders and was the quietest of all 16 at 2000RPM.

Power
1.Flowtech Warlock (open) 374.2 hp/ 333.1 tq
2.Bassani Real Street 373.7 hp/ 333.8 tq
3.Hooker Maxflow 373.5 hp/ 333 tq
4.Borla XS 373.3 hp/ 332.6 tq
5.Magnaflow 372.8 / 332.5 tq
12.Borla XR1 370 hp/ 334 tq (stringers)
17.No muffs 365.2 hp / 330.1 tq

Sound Off in Quietest to Loudest (Decibels):
1.Borla XS, 80db at idle, 90db at 2,000 rpm, 110db at WOT.
2.Hooker Maxflow, 80db at idle, 90db at 2,000 rpm, 120db at WOT.
3.Magnaflow, 82db at idle, 91 at 2,000 rpm, 114db at WOT.
7.Borla XR1, 83db at idle, 96db at 2,000 rpm, 118db at WOT.
16.No Muffler, 91db at idle, 103db at 2,000 rpm, MAX. (120+db).[/font]

Nino
12-30-2008, 02:29 PM
I didn't see your question over the Christmas holidays so sorry for the late response.

For a street-only Mustang that will not see a power adder such as a supercharger, nitrous, or turbos, going with just the mufflers is perfectly fine. If you still have the stock cat-back then you should get the 2.25" mufflers with offset inlet/offset outlet arrangement.

-Nino

cw5billwade
12-30-2008, 09:29 PM
thanks does Ninosport carry VRS X-Pipes and Mac headers and do you price comp other sites or give forum members discount?

Nino
12-31-2008, 10:51 AM
No on the VRS, yes on the MAC, and yes on the forum member discount. The discount code is "MX.com" and you simply enter it during the check out process at Ninosport.com to get 5% off your order. Also, we have free shipping on most exhaust parts.

-Nino

cw5billwade
12-31-2008, 09:25 PM
No on the VRS, yes on the MAC, and yes on the forum member discount. The discount code is "MX.com" and you simply enter it during the check out process at Ninosport.com to get 5% off your order. Also, we have free shipping on most exhaust parts.
-Nino

Then what is a good X w/cats that will work on the MAC headers?

cw5billwade
01-20-2009, 02:17 PM
agian what cated mid pipe do you recomend for the MAC LT headers on 2002 Auto GT

Nino
01-20-2009, 04:29 PM
You know, I just noticed that your Mustang has an automatic transmission and that presents a problem. There's only one brand of longtube headers that I know of that will work with an auto transmission and that is Hooker. MAC longtubes will not fit with an auto transmission. Unfortunately for you, Hooker only offers a non-catted X-pipe for their headers so you're back to having to create a custom X-pipe for the Hooker headers.

If you're dead-set on this setup I would say get the Hooker longtubes, 2 individual cats, and a universal X-pipe kit (see Dr. Gas Exhaust) and make it all work.

-Nino

cw5billwade
01-26-2009, 01:16 PM
funny MAC advertises they work with auto and a lot of folks on other forums are using them.

Nino
01-29-2009, 10:10 AM
Where do they advertise that they work with the auto trans? I looked in their website, their catalog, and the online install sheet and could not find it.

I'll give MAC tech support a call later this morning and find out for sure.

-Nino

cw5billwade
01-29-2009, 10:50 AM
thanks it is not that MAC said they fit Automatic they did not list either manual or automatic for 96-04. Other sites such as Need 4 Speed or JDs list the same part number for automatic as manual. Also many mustang forums members say they have them on their stangs and that other than the very expensive headers from kooks or hooker are the only ones to fit automatic.